Obama is U.S. President Elect

[Damon Caskey]

So we don't clog the shout box. Here are the shouts so far:

Skull Kings

OBAMA!!!

DJGameFreakTheIguana

BARACK OBAMA IS THE NEW PRESIDENT, BY LANDSLIDE VICTORY!!!

Damon Caskey

I don't like it since he is way too liberal for my tastes, but the GOP was screwed no matter what; better to have Obama then nutjob Hillary.

Legend76

I just hope he has a back bone  and doesn't cowtow to Nancy Palosy and Hary Read or our pocket books will really be hurting.

Fightn Words

A President is pretty much helpless to whatever events are happening at the time he's in office. He does have more political influence via his party, but it's still a shell game at best. I hope he's able to change some things at least.

Hanzo

For me as a African-American Obama break racial barriers to become the first African-American president but I won't say he will change everything but there's some things that need to be change

Damon Caskey

His race doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care if a guy is black, white, or green with yellow polka dots. I think he's a brilliant and well meaning guy, but some of his ideas are dangerously leaning toward socialism. Here in KY, we think the government is there to enforce the law, build roads, and otherwise stay out of our lives.

Hanzou

But the law can be twisted bended or snapped of any form to suppress people's rights

[Hanzo]

People are like wating for a change but that won't happen until he is in the white house but the politics will still be the same throughout thick and thin.

[DJGameFreakTheIguana]

Well we can only wait to see what Happens

[Hanzo]

No matter what the outcames to be.....

We'll just wait and see.

[kbandressen]

Why is this in OpenBOR discussion?  Is someone making a Obama vs. McCain mod?   

Anyhow, I think it's cool that we finally elected a black president; it's true that race doesn't really matter, but for the longest time a large portion of America has disagreed with that.  As for Obama himself, he seems like a decent guy and I'll take him over Palin being a 72 year old's heart attack away from presidency.  She just seemed way too inexperienced for my tastes.

[Damon Caskey]

Opps, I meant to put this in General Discussions; my bad. Moving now.

DC

[Orochi_X]

Too late!

Is this the first case of a ninja'd thread movement? (gotta think of a better term for that).

Politics isn't really my bag so I'll be stepping out again now.

[Damon Caskey]

And while you were doing that I was moving it to News.. Double Ninja KO!! 

[NickyP]

Tch. The sad thing is hardly anyone who voted for the guy even took the time of day to look him up. They see the "change" signs and they checked a few things at his FactCheck.org and they were sold. Meanwhile, 24 voters in the electoral college are refusing to cast any ballots until he produces his birth certificate*, which he suspiciously doesn't want to make public for some odd reason. Not to mention how his own VP one year ago said he is far from ready for office and made the claim that, "If elected, no more than 6 months after his inauguration, the world will test him with a crisis". This was his own VP, Joe Biden. Of course, you can't blame it all on the people though.. there was HARDLY anything negative about him in the media (whereas it was at least 8 of 10 times something bad about McCain). Still. I have the clean conscience that I didn't put him in there.**

There's just far too many other things that's shady about him, and I had hoped my country would be smarter than this. However, I'm going to put some faith in God that this guy might actually be a good president. I sincerely hope the bad feeling I had in my gut when I was watching his speech that night was for nothing. And if he proves to be a good man in these next 4 years, I'll be more than happy to admit I was wrong.

*In the US, one of the basic credentials needed to be a candidate for presidency is to be born in the USA. Also, as a nation we the people have a right to demand the medical records and birth certificate of anyone in office; be it congressman, senator, or president.

**I voted for Bob Barr, soley for the reason that I wanted neither McCain nor Obama in office, but still wanted to excercise my right to vote.

[Mr.Q®]

Well honestly, this was the last site I thought I was going to see a political topic like this, even if it's the genneral section, or something like that,...Anyways, it's not something I don't like or hate, just didn't know is was going to be that big to be included here, in Openbor site hehehe...All I can say is:

[Damon Caskey]

Hey Nick, looks like you feel about the way I do. Sort of.

I'm not really suspicious of Obama as a person or anything. I really do think he is on the up and up, as much as a politician can be anyway, and that he means well. I just don't agree with the vast majority of his ideas.

Look, progressivism always sounds great on paper. I mean, who doesn't like the feel good idea that nobody can loose? The problem is that in reality, it just doesn't work that way. Power ALWAYS corrupts. Always. 200,000 years of human history has taught us that. The liberals want the government to make sure nobody can ever loose. Sounds great. But be careful what you wish for. A government that is powerful enough to give you anything you need is powerful enough to take everything you have.

And they won't do it all at once, nor will they do it on purpose. It comes little by little and in the guise of "helping the children". No one is out to take your rights just because, but each and every liberal has his or her own pet rock that they think will make the world a better place by "guiding" rest of us uneducated simpltons via the goverments power...for our own good of course. As they keep piling it on, we loose more and more of our simple freedoms.

 In the last two years, liberals in this city alone have managed to completely ban smoking in any business, are near banning it outright (in your own HOME), have all but outlawed trade shows (people here like to collect antique firearms), and are slowly but surly working heir way up to compulsory child regestration. They do this by invoking the "good for children" thing.

OK, smoke is bad. I don't smoke and I don't like it around me. But telling another person he can't do so in his home? It's not pot, it doesn't addle the brain or cause car accidents like alcohol. Who is benifiting by telling him he can't? The smoker? Hey, if he wants to puff 5 packs a day in own his house, that's darwanism at work if you ask me.

The gun thing is just hilarious. Crime rates in the US have been drooping since the 70's, not increasing. Except of course in the inner cities where firearms are banned by local ordinance. And if that debate doesn't suit your fancy, how about the fact that the majority of trade shows are dealing in non functional firmarms. These are colltables that you couldn't make work if you wanted to. Last time I checked, nobody pulled has ever pulled a drive by with an 1868 Winchester.

And finally the child regestration. Right now it is a simple free video taping, blood sampling, and recording of all of your child's personal information. It is advertised as anti-kidnapping. Boy doesn't that sound nice. But think about that long and hard. A permenant video database of every piece of personal information for every person that goes through this. Its already being considered a mandate, and if it is you are looking at the beginning of a scary world. Oh, and I might add, exactly HOW does this help prevent anything happening to the child? Simple answer: it doesn't. None of this information is in the public domain, so who outside the goverment will ever use it?

Now maybe you don't care about smoke, or guns, or aren't bothered by a government that wants a full video database on children as they come of age. But you better. Because when they are done taking away the things that are easy to play off as harmful, they'll use the momentum to take things away you'd never think possible. Maybe in 10 years you won't be allowed to cross state borders without filing to do so 3 days in advance. Another 10 and you'll have to file for residence almost like getting citzenship in the country. They'll do this under the premise of catching dangerous criminals on the run, so as to "protect your children". Sound far fetched? Think about it. Anyone here over 25 just think back a bit about how your speech and freedoms have been eroded by both parties (how about the politically correct craze), but more so the liberals.. and tell me with straight honesty we won't head that way.

Both major parties in the US are guilty of this, and the slide is inevitable, because again, "progressivism" is just an easy sell. But I'll stick to the reds because even though they do it, they do it a little slower then the blues.

Do I think Bush was a good president? No I don't. But Al Gore? The man is a nut case with no concept of reality. John Kerry may not have been too bad, but Howard Dean would have been a disaster.

McCain probably would be a footnote president known for turning the eccomy around (because the eccomnomy WILL turn around in about a year no matter what. It's cyclical people, and it's always been that way.) Otherwise, he wouldn't do much and I would have been fine with that. Obama? He will bring in sweeping change and levels of government regulation bordering on a state controlled economy. If you own a corner grocery store, the dems will classify you as "rich" because you have a 250,000+ cash flow and tax you to the gills for it. Never mind that your yearly profits might amount to about 17-19k and the kid working at Blockbuster takes home more money then you. And because the ecomnomy will take its cyclical upswing, Obama will be credited for turning it all around, making it easiser to justify even more extreme state control.

It's a dark time indeed for people who just want to be lefft alone...

DC

[NickyP]

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* Nick slow claps

You've won a new level of respect with me, DC. Seems that the only difference in our thinking is that I think he's shady and you don't. Other than that, I have to say that whole little speech of yours was spot on my friend. Well done, good sir. 

Because when they are done taking away the things that are easy to play off as harmful, they'll use the momentum to take things away you'd never think possible.

Patriot Act, anyone? Although I'll admit it right now, I was just fine with it until they suspended Habeas Corpus. Thats where I drew the line with that.

[DesignerSpecial]

until he produces his birth certificate

Photographs of his birth certificate have already been shown on the news many times. That's just another Republican scare-tactic to paint Obama as a weird foreigner.

"If elected, no more than 6 months after his inauguration, the world will test him with a crisis"

That's when Biden was running against Obama. You hear some of the things Bush said about McCain when they were running against each other in 2000?

I'm actually sorry I read this thread, but hopefully we can all continue to make good mods and help each other even if we fiercely disagree. 

[baritonomarchetto77]

His race doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care if a guy is black, white, or green with yellow polka dots. I think he's a brilliant and well meaning guy, but some of his ideas are dangerously leaning toward socialism. Here in KY, we think the government is there to enforce the law, build roads, and otherwise stay out of our lives.

I don't know if in America things works like in Italy: here the two factions ("centro destra" and "centro sinistra", consider that Obama could be located in the "centro-sinistra" side and MCain in the "centro-destra" one) are actually (not ideally) veeery similar (this is why they don't like each other  ) and the "color of the skin" (the age, in my country case) would make the difference at a social level.

[Damon Caskey]

DesignerSpecial, don't be upset that people debate politics. It's actually a selling point of this forum that we can discuss such a polarizing issue and stay civil.

Just because you disagree with someone doesn't mean you have to think less of them. I know danno and myself for instance probably have absolutely opposite views on things, but so? He's an awsome dude and our having different opinions doesn't change that. I have several RL friends who are so far left their right again; we debate for hours, but it doesn't affect us. That's one of the things that make the world great.

Political discourse in a civil manor with passionate views on both sides is a sign of intelligence and maturity. Can you imagine this discussion taking place on just about any other forum?

DC