Dungeon Fighter: B.O.R.

[utunnels]

Yeah, the dialogues are kinda hard to read for slow readers like me (bold + capital ).
Perhaps you can consider longer delay for the text entities and add a key script too kill them if someone doesn't want to press attack button repeatedly.

[darknior]

Woaw ... so cool to see this great new game come
Thanks a lot

[bWWd]

Gameplay is great, to solve problems with block not working when someone attacks from behind  you should add "blockback   1" to character header and blocking works from any direction so enemies can attack you from behind and you still can block it.
I agree about too slow delay and too small velocity when walking and running but its a small problem, fighting is dynamic like it should be.

[Pierwolf]

I have a suggestion here. When you go to any individual there to talk in the beginning of the first scene, do you think you can make them talk again even though if anyone couldn't understand or get what they say? Any individual only talks once and that's it, and then you move on. Looking at the non-fighting scene reminds me of playing an any type of RPG game.

if you can help me with some idea with this, i will gladly implement it.

EDIT: There's one thing I found. I don't know if I'm going to say this right, but the enemies, the goblins, throw rocks and shoot arrows at the character while he's falling in air and yes, that's juggling. I did try to jump and kick to them though.

actually if you have some MP left, you can press TAUNT button while you're falling, and you will cancel with a release attack.

Gameplay is great, to solve problems with block not working when someone attacks from behind  you should add "blockback   1" to character header and blocking works from any direction so enemies can attack you from behind and you still can block it.
I agree about too slow delay and too small velocity when walking and running but its a small problem, fighting is dynamic like it should be.

thanks for the blockback suggestion bwwd, i didn't know this command existed, time to upgrade my openbor manual i suppose!

anyway, has someone of you found the secret quest? 

[zamuel]

Overall it's very fun and maintains the visual consistency of your mods.  I liked the feeling of progression and the fact that even though this was "just" a demo, you still had the hidden ambush area.  Have a number of pieces of constructive criticism for the game from my playthrough.

-Having the Dojo is a good idea but I would handle the training dummy differently.  Rather than one guy with a lot of health, have an invisible entity that summons a singular enemy with only slightly above average health.  This gives you a better idea of how much damage you're doing to enemies so you can work out which combos are best.  This also prevents you from accidentally "beating" your practice mode due to killing the enemy since the invisible summoner is always there.  You may also want to add a respawning healing item and/or a way to level up in the Dojo so you can practice moves that require a higher level.

-I really dislike having a ton of stuff in the foreground.  It's technically a problem I have with a number of mods but I tend to not actively complain about it.  The main issue comes from screen space and visibility.

-As far as lockdowns and juggling, one way to solve it would be alter spawn placement.  As is, you tend to get surrounded by default with each new spawn.  Altering enemy placement would make positioning and blocking more useful on their own without having to burn meter with an Evade.  Projectiles are the bigger issue here and perhaps adding a juggle limit system or even adjusting the attacking range would help.  This would seem to be a better option than allowing guard to affect both directions.

-If possible, you may want to have the town cursor start on the lower right instead of the lower left.  The town in the lower right has the easiest quest while the town in the upper left has the most difficult non-final/hidden quest.  If moving the cursor's start position is not possible, you might want to simply move the towns.

-You might want to add a 500 XP bag of gold so that when you collect earnings you don't have to click quite so many.  On the topic of money, it's a nitpick but it it looks like the 50 XP bag is larger than the 100 XP bag.

-I agree with the concept of making the player choose between prioritizing enemy kills or loot collection.  However, I would suggest that boss death animations have slightly more delay.  This would help since the regular enemies don't die as soon as the boss does like other mods.

-I agree with many people's comments about speed and there's a number of ways to handle it.  A subtle global increase to player speed, slightly increase the speed of certain characters, or perhaps you could tie in speed increases and reduced recovery time to leveling up.

[utunnels]

Yeah, the second guy's walk speed is a way too slow. Not just it affects gameplay, an extremely slow walker sometimes looks weird. Because openbor only gives 1/2 of your full speed in z direction, it looks like your character is struggling. A slow charcter doesn't need to be slow in anyway IMO. He's a hero after all. If he is slowed down dramatically by his own weapon, how does he manage to swing it?

[Pierwolf]

Overall it's very fun and maintains the visual consistency of your mods.  I liked the feeling of progression and the fact that even though this was "just" a demo, you still had the hidden ambush area.  Have a number of pieces of constructive criticism for the game from my playthrough.

-Having the Dojo is a good idea but I would handle the training dummy differently.  Rather than one guy with a lot of health, have an invisible entity that summons a singular enemy with only slightly above average health.  This gives you a better idea of how much damage you're doing to enemies so you can work out which combos are best.  This also prevents you from accidentally "beating" your practice mode due to killing the enemy since the invisible summoner is always there.  You may also want to add a respawning healing item and/or a way to level up in the Dojo so you can practice moves that require a higher level.

yes i've in mind something like this, i will change the dojo mode completely in the final release.

-I really dislike having a ton of stuff in the foreground.  It's technically a problem I have with a number of mods but I tend to not actively complain about it.  The main issue comes from screen space and visibility.

well, this is a wiewpoint. i mean it's a forest, it's difficult to move inside it, don't you think? 

-If possible, you may want to have the town cursor start on the lower right instead of the lower left.  The town in the lower right has the easiest quest while the town in the upper left has the most difficult non-final/hidden quest.  If moving the cursor's start position is not possible, you might want to simply move the towns.

well but you'are not forced to go immediately in battle after you accept the quest; you can first open all the 3 quests, and then decide wich battle face first.

-You might want to add a 500 XP bag of gold so that when you collect earnings you don't have to click quite so many.  On the topic of money, it's a nitpick but it it looks like the 50 XP bag is larger than the 100 XP bag.

i've done this way because if there are 2 players, they can divide the reward bethween them. and other than this, it's more cool for me to see a lot of bags of money to grab

-I agree with the concept of making the player choose between prioritizing enemy kills or loot collection.  However, I would suggest that boss death animations have slightly more delay.  This would help since the regular enemies don't die as soon as the boss does like other mods.

-I agree with many people's comments about speed and there's a number of ways to handle it.  A subtle global increase to player speed, slightly increase the speed of certain characters, or perhaps you could tie in speed increases and reduced recovery time to leveling up.

Yeah, the second guy's walk speed is a way too slow. Not just it affects gameplay, an extremely slow walker sometimes looks weird. Because openbor only gives 1/2 of your full speed in z direction, it looks like your character is struggling. A slow charcter doesn't need to be slow in anyway IMO. He's a hero after all. If he is slowed down dramatically by his own weapon, how does he manage to swing it?

i will think about this.

thanks a lot for the feedback, guys! 

[maxman]

-If possible, you may want to have the town cursor start on the lower right instead of the lower left.  The town in the lower right has the easiest quest while the town in the upper left has the most difficult non-final/hidden quest.  If moving the cursor's start position is not possible, you might want to simply move the towns.

well but you'are not forced to go immediately in battle after you accept the quest; you can first open all the 3 quests, and then decide wich battle face first.

I think he's talking about the starting point where you always start from lower left instead of lower right, and the number of the level difficulty. Maybe you can change direction to leftright in a level text for map and probably starting from right for difficulty.

[DJGameFreakTheIguana]

i've done this way because if there are 2 players, they can divide the reward bethween them. and other than this, it's more cool for me to see a lot of bags of money to grab

Wouldn't it be possible to set more money to spawn for each active playing? You can set a row of 8 bags, and another spawn really close to each bad for each player, and then, if their fair about it, can grab one bag from each pile.

x)

[Bloodbane]

I have a suggestion here. When you go to any individual there to talk in the beginning of the first scene, do you think you can make them talk again even though if anyone couldn't understand or get what they say? Any individual only talks once and that's it, and then you move on. Looking at the non-fighting scene reminds me of playing an any type of RPG game.

if you can help me with some idea with this, i will gladly implement it.

 My suggestion is to make NPCs invincible to all attacks then spawn dialogues on their PAIN animation. This way, when player 'talk' to them, they won't be killed and instead play PAIN and spawn the dialogue. After PAIN is over, they return to IDLE allowing them to be 'talked' again.

[BeasTie]

That's how I've made doors in doom mod.

[Die_In_Fire]

and how I made npc's talk on my mod 

i liked the area clear concept, and i think that this way add a little strategy; take everything before times up, but i will think about this.

It's good, but you could gie a little bit more delay, the area finish too soon

[Yagami Brando]

Very interesting idea, Pierwolf! I'm so craving to play as gunner again lol)
Actually I was not able to play DNF online normally (because they ip ban non-american players).
So - good luck with this mod, can't wait till it's fully done
P.S. by the way - your castlevania mod is still alive or you gave up on it? just askin'

[Pierwolf]

I have a suggestion here. When you go to any individual there to talk in the beginning of the first scene, do you think you can make them talk again even though if anyone couldn't understand or get what they say? Any individual only talks once and that's it, and then you move on. Looking at the non-fighting scene reminds me of playing an any type of RPG game.

if you can help me with some idea with this, i will gladly implement it.

 My suggestion is to make NPCs invincible to all attacks then spawn dialogues on their PAIN animation. This way, when player 'talk' to them, they won't be killed and instead play PAIN and spawn the dialogue. After PAIN is over, they return to IDLE allowing them to be 'talked' again.

i know this method, i've already experimented it before, but doing this way means i've to do a separate npc for every dialogue. but more important, doing the way you suggest doesn't give the player the xp for talking with the npc (or give it too much, it depends how you set the score command).

Very interesting idea, Pierwolf! I'm so craving to play as gunner again lol)
Actually I was not able to play DNF online normally (because they ip ban non-american players).
So - good luck with this mod, can't wait till it's fully done
P.S. by the way - your castlevania mod is still alive or you gave up on it? just askin'

the castlevania mod will see the light, one day... but not in the immediate future. 

[Pierwolf]

added pool, please vote!
you will decide the priest avatar for this game!